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roberts. we begin with the first day of full deliberations in the casey anthony murder trial. casey was back in court this morning as the jury returned to resume deliberations after two days of dramatic closing arguments. in rebuttal statements monday, prosecutors hammered at the lies anthony repeatedly told police about the disappearance of her 2-year-old daughter, caylee. >> when casey anthony wants to divert attention away from herself, she accuses others, a lie told convincingly is still a lie. if this truly was an accident in the pool, caylee anthony would have been found floating in the pool, not floating in a swamp down the street. >> so regardless of how you put these facts together, and again, i submit to you that the one that makes the most sense is the
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premeditated because it is. but any way you slice it, any way you put it together, casey anthony is guilty of murder in the first degree. >> a dramatic day in court. and now drama as we wait for a verdict. nbc's lilja luciano is at the courthouse in orlando. good morning. >> reporter: good morning to you, jeff. definitely we're waiting -- yes. >> go for it. >> reporter: i'm just waiting like everybody else in the middle of a great deal of tension outside of this courtroom. people are gathering around to finally hear that verdict. we will have a 30-minute notice once the verdict is reached. but i wanted to address in particular what jeff was referring to, what we just heard during those closing arguments, and something i've been widely asked on twitter, what would be required for that jury to convict casey anthony of murder in the first degree? and it's not only that she
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premeditatedly murdered her daughter, that she wanted to lead a fun life, a life free of the burden or the responsibilities of being aa mother. that second scenario he was placing during closing arguments is yes, she might not have wanted caylee dead, but if her death came as a result of a felony, she could get convicted and potentially be sentenced to death. if she tried to silence caylee with duct tape or knock her out temporarily using chloroform and her death resulted from that, casey anthony could face the death penalty. jeff? >> so as the jury deliberates, i'm just curious, a little more texture and color, is casey anthony in the courthouse? is she sitting in the courtroom? where are the prosecutors? where are her lawyers? >> reporter: everybody right now is in the courtroom. in fact, if the jury has a question they need to address or something they don't understand, what they'll do is pass a note to judge perry at which point he will refer them to the law they
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are to use in order to answer that question. when this happens, every court official needs to be in that courtroom, both the prosecution and the state. so everybody's on standby. of course, when a verdict is reached, they will tell the media, and every court official that everybody's to resume their position because there's an answer to the big question. >> lilia luciano on verdict watch for us in orlando. thank you so much. i want to bring in our legal panel to talk about deliberations and which side did a better job of proving its case. we have diane dimond and former prosecutor wendy murphy on the right side of your screen. thanks to both of you for joining us today. >> sure. >> before we get started, i want to play a bite from defense lawyer jose baez who on monday raised the issue of reasonable doubt, telling the jury they have it. take a listen. >> these are the facts that you have heard. and these are the facts that prove beyond a reasonable doubt that casey anthony is guilty of murder in the first degree.
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reasonable doubt lives here. it's throughout the case. it's right here. it's with these individuals. it's with those individuals. it's everywhere. you can't trust this evidence. you can't. >> all right. so we started with the prosecutor first. wendy, let me start with you. did the prosecution remove any reasonable doubt? many say that jose baez may have a point here that without a cause of death, it is very hard to get a first-degree murder conviction here. what are your thoughts? >> yeah. the interesting thing, i thought jeff ashton did a technically better closing argument, but baez had the better facts and law on his side. he had kind of a sloppy closing. he's more colombo than he is a smooth talker. but the bottom line is, baez is right. there is a ton of reasonable doubt in this case. you know, the focus on the duct tape is important. and i think ashton did a good job of explaining what he believe s really happened here. but he had gargantuan gaps in
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evidence. and so for baez, i think he was right to continually point out there's doubt about this. there's doubt about that. there's doubt about the other thing. and the bottom line is, no matter what you think about duct tape, and it's a horrible thing to put duct tape on a child and the really important point here is that there's no reason to put duct tape on a child's face, accident or otherwise, there's just no reason for it. but baez basically made the most important point when he said, what evidence do you have that casey put the duct tape on the child's mouth? and the answer to that question is there's nothing in this case. nothing. she will be acquitted. >> diane, the big difference between circumstantial evidence and hard forensic evidence. in a criminal case like this, how big is that difference? >> well, it's huge. and it's all in the mind of each individual juror. i mean, wendy is right. i thought baez, although clumsy and a little linguistically challenged at times, made some very interesting points in his closing. there were a lot of people that had contact with that car.
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some of them law enforcement who did not smell anything. there is duct tape on the child's face. but how did it get there? the child is dumped in the woods, but how did she get there? so there are a lot of gaps there. now, that said, most murder trials are circumstantial evidence. and i do think that there was a ton of circumstantial evidence, as linda burdick said yesterday. the only one in this scenario that had access to all of the evidence, the blanket, the child, the car, was casey anthony. >> the jury is looking at seven charges here. no one really knows how caylee died. a lot of circumstantial evidence, as i mentioned. does it make it easier for the jury, wendy, to say we don't know what happened. so let's not convict her on murder one. but let's convict her on lesser charges. can they do that? >> well, you know, here's the thing. it's irrational for them to find her guilty of something lesser. because this is one of those cases where she either did a grotesque homicide or she didn't
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do it at all. so i think if they did come up with a compromise, it may well be overturned by the judge as not based on any kind of evidence at all. i mean, i do think that what baez did that i thought was essential was he talked about the elephant in the room. you hate her. she's a slut, she's a bad mother. she lied. i hate her, too. it's a terrible thing she did, but that's not proof of murder. he had to make the jury aware of the bias they feel toward her so that when they go in to deliberate, they can put it aside and say where is the evidence? there's nothing here. i think she's going to be acquitted because i don't think she killed her child. >> i'm going to disagree with my good friend, wendy. i'm not sure she's going to be acquitted. jeff ashton said in his portion of the closing, look. our scenario is that there was chloroform used. there was tape put over her mouth and nose. we can only hope that the chloroform was used so that she didn't feel any pain. and that's our scenario. he said you might come up with a different scenario.
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and you know, they might say, you know what? i think this child probably did drown in the backyard pool and then she panicked and did this terrible thing. maybe the child's decomposing in the trunk caused her to put the tape over her mouth to keep the fluid in. they could come up with all sorts of scenarios. i agree, i don't think she's going to get the death penalty. >> also could be a hung jury at the end of the day. who knows? wendy and diane, thanks to you both. i know we'll be talking to you a lot. >> you bet. the desperate search as we continue on for seven missing american tourists under way this morning in mexican waters. after a fourth of july fishing expedition ended with at least one person dead. emergency crews rescued 19 tourists and 16 crew members, but teams leaving from san felipe airport are holding out hope of finding more survivors. joining our miguel almaguer, what is the latest from there?
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>> reporter: jeff, good morning to you. we know that right at this hour, search planes are going to head over the sea of cortez. we know boats are already on the water. they are scouring several square miles of ocean looking for those possible survivors. at least seven of them are still believed to be out there, all american citizens. but as you mentioned, so many dozens actually survived hours in the water. some 16 hours. some swam two miles to shore. others found coolers to hang on and life preservers to wrap themselves around. here's what charles gibson had to say about his survival story. >> i asked the lord to kind of give me a hand to get to the shore. and suddenly a big wave came over. and i rolled with the wave in order to get to the shore. and i crawled to the beach. and i took my life vest off and put it on a stick to notify people i was there. i found a corner and i slept because my body was totally exhausted.
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>> reporter: jeff, believe it or not, charles's story is so similar to so many of the other survivors we spoke to. they spent hours, a harrowing experience in the ocean. it was 2:30 in the morning, pitch-black ocean and sky. and somehow so many people survived. but again, the search for at least seven americans continues at shvery hour, jeff. >> nbc's miguel almaguer, thanks. rising waters in the yellowstone river today making it even more difficult for cleanup crews to mop up the oil spill there. exxon mobil officials have now acknowledged that the magnitude of the spill could actually be larger than originally thought. nbc's george lewis is live in laurel, montana, with more. george, good morning. where do the cleanup efforts stand right now? >> reporter: jeff, those cleanup efforts are growing at this hour. exxon now says it has almost 400 people on the case. and indeed, those efforts are complicated by the rising floodwaters that you see behind me. yesterday the water was down by that protective boom. now it's come in about a foot or
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so. it's expected to crest in billings, montana, later this afternoon at the 13-foot flood stage. so it will oil up some of the areas along the river banks that have been previously clean. in some areas they're going to have to start over from scratch today. a lot of angry property owners in this area are demanding answers about how big exactly is this spill. initially exxon was quoted as saying it extended only along a ten-mile bank of the river. but now they're saying yes, it could extend much farther than that. they've been sending reconnaissance flights out over a 100-mile area to look to see exactly how big the spill is. landowners that want to talk to the governor today, brian schweitzer will be in the area. the people here are demanding answers from the government and from exxon mobil about what sort of compensation will be forthcoming to make them whole. jeff? >> nbc's george lewis in montana for us, thanks. waiting for word. we're following grim news out of indiana where investigators have
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found the body over the weekend. could it be that of missing student lauren spierer? also, will he or won't he? speculation is building over whether texas governor rick perry plans to run for president after a former newt gingrich staffer signed up to work for him. be right back. purina cat chow helps you well-being. we're all striving for it. nurture it in your cat with a full family of excellent nutrition and helpful resources. purina cat chow. share a better life.
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welcome back. at 15 minutes past the hour, president obama may be ready to make some big cuts to medicare and medicaid if republicans come to the negotiating table with an open mind on raising tax revenues. "the new york times" is reporting that money could be taken from providers. his proposal discussed by the biden commission that could also be sold to democrats on the hill. >> those three issues that are laid out in "the new york times" this morning or yesterday are
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issues that we did, in fact, discuss, this thhad them on the and they were getting, i would say, pretty positive reviews among democrats. >> the deal could still be a tough sell for republicans who have adamantly resisted any tax hikes as part of a debt deal. i want to stay with politics for a moment. the republican field for 2012 may be set, but there's a gop figure in an even bigger state who could still shake up the primaries. rick perry's advisers are putting together information to help the texas governor decide whether the momentum and perhaps more importantly the money are there to make the run for the white house a reality. richard fowler is a democratic strategist and sherry jacobis is a republican strategist and a columnist for "the hill." thanks for joining us. so the christian right leaders want rick perry to throw his hat, maybe the ten-gallon hat, i haven't seen fashion pictures of
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him lately, into the ring. he's planning a christian prayer event august. who do you think the bigger threat to obama is? perry from texas or romney who is really out in front on the economy? >> well, i don't think either are a big threat to romney. when it comes to rick perry throwing his prayer fest, i'm not really sure what that's going to do for him. at the end of the day, the budget of texas is still taking on water. you know, he might be a good fund-raiser, but i'm not sure if he has the capability to moupt a campaign that could defeat mitt romney. >> sheerry, who do you like? >> i do like perry. i think this could be bad news for pawlenty. your top tier would be romney, bachmann and perry and all three are bad news for president obama. >> why perry? >> well, perry's good because out of -- since 2009, 37% of all the new jobs created nationwide have been in the state of texas. so that's pretty darn good.
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he's got a very good record. in terms of the christian leaders liking him, that certainly helps him. but my sense, my opinion is that the christian conservative vote could very easily be split amongst several candidates in the field. the top three, in fact, which is a good thing. i think people care about the economy, obviously for moral reasons and family reasons that people want jobs. they want everybody to be able to work and support their family. so there's something about perry that can appeal to christian conserve pifati conservatives, tea partiers and that's the big uniting issue and perry can be strong on that. that's why a perry candidacy would be horrific for obama. >> i disagree here, though. at the end of the day, though -- >> shocking. >> when it comes down to it, i don't think perry's right for the republican ticket. i think he's going to have a hard time convincing rank-and-file republicans to join him. you know, since he's been governor, we've seen -- even though people say they're
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creating a lot of jobs to texas, no what avail? he's cut education by 30%, made tons of cuts. the only reason is because of president obama's stimulus dollars. >> yeah, those stimulus dollars are not creating jobs in this country. we don't have all those shovel-ready projects. there's a lot of people standing in line waiting for these jobs that the president promised. and i don't think that you've got more than 14 million unemployed americans are going to go to the polls next fall -- or in the fall of 2012 and pull the lever for a president who's failed to create jobs that they so greatly need. they may like obama personally, but that's just not going to happen. >> perry is waging a big battle on the border. there are more agents, more drones, more high-technical ras than ever before. yet the illegal flow of people and the drug problem is worse than ever. this can come back to haunt him in a presidential run, can't it? >> well, unless things start turning around. i think the fact that there's an effort being made where in the past many people feel there has not been enough of an effort made on the border. that can certainly help him.
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if he's sort of trending in the right direction, that's going to help him a lot. but people do want results. but if he's got results on jobs and on budgets, then he can start getting results along the border. and you've got a large segment of the christian right that like him. and he's going to be good for independents and some democrats, you know, you might be looking at the next president. but i think at a minimum, he can give romney and bachmann a run for their money. they all have a lot of strength. so i'd be pretty happy with that as our first tier. >> richard, final word. >> well, you know, she talks about governor perry, you know, his work on the budget. he really hasn't done any work on the budget. the budget is basically taking on water if it weren't for the stimulus dollars. under obama we've seen 240 million jobs created. at the end of the day, i don't think any candidate in the gop field will face the challenge to the president. i can't wait to see his fund-raising numbers with the momentum that will take him into
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2012 and into another term. >> thanks for joining us. up next, countdown to liftoff. nasa gets ready to send its final shuttle into space on friday. what does that mean for the future of the space program and its astronauts? plus, will and kate continue to dazzle on their canadian tour. and new comments by the duchess have tongues wagging. his tongue is wagging about the couple starting a family. back in just a moment. you name it. i've tried it. but nothing's helped me beat my back pain. then i tried this. it's salonpas. this is the relief i've been looking for. salonpas has 2 powerful pain fighting ingredients that work for up to 12 hours. and my pharmacist told me it's the only otc pain patch approved for sale using the same rigorous clinical testing that's required for prescription pain medications. proven. powerful. safe. salonpas.
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welcome back. and we are just two hours from nasa beginning the countdown clock for its last shuttle mission. "atlant "atlantis" is scheduled to launch around this time on friday. it will be the 135th and final flight for the famed shuttle program. the four-member crew who will pilot "atlantis" on its mission to the international space station arrived at the kennedy space center on monday.
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joining me now on the phone is nbc space analyst james oberg, also a mission controller and designed the first assembly flight of the international space station. james, good to talk to you. >> hello, jeff. >> last time we talked i think last week, there was some space junk. >> that's right. >> about to hit the international space station. and let me start with you there because one of the things that nasa engineers are worried about is that if there is no shuttle program up there to, you know, move asteroids away, move the international space station out of the way, lives are at risk, and so are satellites and the space station itself, is that true? >> well, jeff, the station has its own rocket engines to dodge and its own shielding and lots of spare parts. but the issue of concern to a lot of experienced operators here is that if a big repair is needed. if you need to replace a solar panel or something which is the size of half a football field, then you're going to need to have the marvelous work bench that the space shuttle provides.
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it allows people to put almost anywhere they want to reach on the exterior of the station. the station can take a lot of hits and keep on ticking. but there are some things that might be too much for it. it's a big sky. so far, so good. and they have stocked up with spare parts. the crew is trained for major repair operations. they did one last year successfully. >> when the shuttle program ends, you know, 7,000 people, as i'm sure you're aware, will lose their jobs which is awful, but what does it also mean in the bigger picture? >> right now we're supposed to be transitioning to a whole new era in space flight including human space flight. but the transition is stretched out. it's almost a case of neglect on the part of plans to keep people working. not just keep people working. these people are smart. but there are teams of people that have spent 5, 10, 20 years
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working together. they work efficiently. they work safely. and those teams are simply being dissolved. you can't hire even the brightest people off the street and expect them to pick up the task two, three, five, ten years from now when the government decides to start going back into space. >> before i let you go, we have that picture we showed you a couple moments ago at the console of mission control. there you are. there's our buddy james. what is it like for you personally seeing the end of this program? >> well, it's a change. it's a big change. it's scary. but there's the potential to go a lot farther in space and also a lot wider in space. so i think among all the fear, there is anticipation that we're going to be doing greater things. we just don't see it yet. and a lot of people are really worried about it. i'm worried when people in mission control are worried because if their mind's not in the game, we know what can happen on space missions. >> nbc analyst james oberg. james, thank you so much. >> thanks, jeff. and a program note for you,
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msnbc will have live coverage of the final shuttle flight to the international space station. it's scheduled for 11:26 a.m. eastern on friday. dominique strauss-kahn celebrated a weekend of freedom, but he's not out of legal trouble just yet. the new sexual assault allegations that could land him back behind bars overseas. and the grim discovery in indiana. have investigators found the body of former missing student lauren spierer after weeks of searching? we'll be right back. gn a vacation on a budget with expedia. make it work. booking a flight by itself is an uh-oh. see if we can "stitch" together a better deal. that's a hint, antoine. ooh! see what anandra did? booking your flight and hotel at the same time gets you prices hotels and airlines won't let expedia show separately. book it. major wow factor! where you book matters. expedia.
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welcome back. at half past the hour, i'm jeff rossen. look at this dramatic video from china. a rescue today of dozens of people stranded on a collapsed bridge. the bridge actually buckled under the force of surging floodwaters. rescue workers, as you can see, in china, they have rigged this cable over the river to pull the stranded people to safety one by one. the chinese state broadcaster is reporting that some of the trapped people refused to get on
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the cable for fear of falling into the water below. and in the pictures, you can see just how heavily that water is surging. so you understand their fear. workers eventually fetched a large crane from their plant and used it to successfully lift the remaining colleagues to safety. but dramatic pictures out of china today. former imf chief dominique strauss-kahn may be breathing a sigh of relief thanks to the latest developments in the sexual assault case against him here in new york. but a woman from his past is now presenting new legal problems for the man known as dsk. >> reporter: with his wife on his arm, dominique strauss-kahn spent the holiday weekend a free man. the case against him falling apart in new york city. but now a woman from his past is back. she's a french novelist and claims strauss-kahn sexually assaulted her in 2003 as she tried to interview him. her lawyer says they're planning
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to file a criminal complaint in france today. she tells a french magazine, "for years dsk held the reins of my life, and now i have the chance to be heard." strauss-kahn has denied any wrongdoing and says he'll take legal action against her if she files. >> women are going to be coming out of the woodwork now to accuse dsk. but they are going to be held to such a higher standard of credibility after the fallout from this case in the united states. >> reporter: prosecutors now admit the hotel maid who accused him of sexual assault here in new york lied repeatedly and may have ties to criminal behavior. >> i think this case is over. i think it's just a question of when. >> reporter: strauss-kahn is free to roam the country without bail. as photographers track his every move from dinner at a fancy restaurant to a reported museum visit. and now a new accuser waits for him in france.
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the charges against strauss-kahn still stands here in new york, but legal experts say it is just a matter of time before they're dismissed. moving on to an autopsy being performed today, and it could determine what happened to missing indiana university student lauren spierer. police say a child found the remains of an unidentified woman floating in a creek 50 miles from where she was last seen alive. joining us now from washington, d.c., is investigative crime reporter michelle segona. good morning to you. >> good morning, jeff. >> are we hearing any time line about when they'll know who this is and if this is lauren? >> within the last hour, i spoke with a captain from bloomington police department over e-mail. and he says that possibly could possibly be later on today that they may release some information, if they have that information available from the autopsy. so that's something that we're waiting for right now. and if not today, then most likely tomorrow. >> lauren's parents have
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appealed for a lot of lauren's friends who were with her the night she disappeared to come forward, talk more to the police. could this discovery of a body compel more of them to talk openly with police? i know it's been a source of contention. >> it has been a source of contention. it could prompt someone to come forward, or it could make them shy off even more. you know, this has been a very sticky situation for a lot of them. i think most of her friends are confused. they're sad. they're overwhelmed. they have just such a mixed sense of emotion. that are going on here. especially since she's been missing since june the 3rd. and some of them have lawyered up. so at this point, if it is possibly lauren's body and, of cour course, we hope that it's not, but if it is, then maybe that will prompt someone to come forward with a little bit more information to figure out because as you mentioned, jeff, this is 50 miles away from where lauren went missing. obviously, she didn't walk there. whether she went willingly with someone or if she was taken against her will. that's something, again, that
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investigators were focusing on. >> speaking of the investigation, where does it stand? what do police know as fact? i mean, i think they know very little as fact, but what do they know as fact, and are they homing in on anybody in particular? >> they do have surveillance that helps nail in some of the time line before she went missing. there's a little over an hour that's unaccounted for surveillancewise. but people have come forward with where they saw her and where they know her last location to be on the morning of june the 3rd. and as far as persons of interest, they have come out to say, look, we have some persons of interest, some folks that we are looking at. no suspects at this particular point. that's something that they're moving forward. also in the discovery of this body that was found in the creek, there's also another missing person case that's going on in the area. it's the case of a 74-year-old great-grandmother who went missing in the middle of june. so we do not know if it's that person, lauren, or it could be someone else at this point. so that's something that we're sort of waiting on the edge of our seats to figure out who this person is and what's the next
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step. >> all right, michelle sigona, please keep us posteposted. >> you got it. one of mexico's most-want e fugitives is in police custody today. the founding member of the zetas drug gang was caught in mexico city in a suburb of that city without a single shot fired. among several charges, authorities say aguilera was involved in the shooting death of a u.s. customs agent. the arrest follows a travel warning over the holiday weekend urging americans not to travel to mexico. he was allegedly planning to rob and extort u.s. citizens there. we're joined by laura carlson with america's program for the center of international policy. thank you so much for joining us. >> thank you, jeff. >> the zetas are blamed for much of 35,000 cartel-related deaths around the country since 2006. how damaging is this arrest to zetas cartel?
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>> it's very difficult to know. if jesus is really the person they say he is, which is the third in the command of the zetas, one of the most ruthless gangs in mexico, and also responsible for the death of the u.s. customs agent, then it's obviously to be celebrated that he will be put behind bars. but when you look at it as supposedly a major success in the drug war which both the u.s. and the mexican governments are touting, there you see some serious contradictions. first of all, it's not that clear that he'll actually be put behind bars because the prosecution rate in mexico for even high-profile cases is extremely low. there's corruption in the judicial system. there's a lack of efficiency. and so we have only 2% of cases being successfully prosecuted. >> what does this mean for americans who are traveling to mexico? >> well, what we saw from the alert is that it was probably exaggerated.
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in effect, here along the border, there has not been evidence of a real targeting of u.s. citizens in border communities. that's not to say that anybody can guarantee the safety of u.s. citizens in mexico border communities because it is effectively a conflict zone. but what we have to start asking ourselves is aside from using facts to judge the degree of safety and, of course, in the border communities, they know how to do this because it's so heavily integrated and has been for so many years. but we have to ask ourselves why is this happening? and when we do, what we find is that the explosion of violence in the border community is directly correlated to the application of this drug war model against organized crime. and until that's changed and reformed, we'll be likely seeing even more violence in the future. >> laura carlsen, thank you so much for your time today. >> thank you, jeff. are william and kate starting a family in the near
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new crest pro-health clinical toothpaste. life opens up when you do. we have this bit of breaking news. you could call it that. tiger woods on his website now saying he's going to miss this month's british open due to an injury. he made this announcement on his website saying his left leg continues to heal. so do not look for tiger woods at the british open. okay. moving on. the gurus behind the book of face. facebook gearing up for a big event on wednesday. but what is it? some are speculating the social network is about to launch a new tablet application for the ipad. but is it as groundbreaking as facebook's founders would have you think? dan ackerman is senior editor at dan, how you doing? >> good, thanks. >> what do we expect? >> they said they're going to have a really awesome announcement this week. there's two big possibilities. one is that ipad applications
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for facebook which shockingly they don't have yet. but the smart money is really on adding video chat possibly in partnership with skype. that's the video chat company that was just acquired by microsoft because that's something that it's almost surprising that facebook doesn't have. google has video chat. apple has it. but if facebook adds it, they'll definitely fill in a big hole they've got. >> is this like mark zuckerberg trying to keep up with the joneses? >> probably not coincidence that they said as soon as google launched their google plus social network, facebook said oh, we've got a big, awesome announcement so everybody come pay attention to that. the timing was a little suspect on that. >> is facebook as relevant as it was in 2004 at its inception? you've seen the sale of myspace. they took a bath on that, a fraction of what it was originally worth. is that trend falling off, or is facebook still incredibly relevant? it is in my life. >> they continue to sort of evolve more than fade out. you know, myspace and friendster, they paved the path,
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but they weren't ready to take it to the next level. i see so many people now using facebook and even google plus for professional purposes. it's mixing the social stuff with business stuff. there's really no end to possible up side here. of course, it could go the other way, too. >> dan ackerman, friend me. >> i will. >> appreciate it. new speculation out today about the royal newlyweds. will and kate may be looking to start a family after a comment the duchess of cambridge made this weekend. the royal superstars are on a tour of canada before heading to los angeles this friday. kate reportedly told an eager fan who wished the couple well in starting a family, quote, yes, i hope to. four simple words that apparently mean so much. ben fogle is nbc's special correspondent. hey, ben. >> hey, how are you? >> what struck me is big deal. what else is she going to say? no, i hate children? >> what you must remember is kind of twofold here. first, there was speculation for years, are they, around they going to get married?
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now they got married. the press need the next logical stage of having a family. i've been following them for the last few days up in canada. hundreds of thousands of journalists there all desperate for a story. you know, they've had the dresses. they want something else. so of course they're going to seize on something like that. >> so you think this is no huge deal? >> i think it's natural, they're a young couple. i think the natural progression for most people when they got married is wanting to start a family at one stage. >> like my grandma asking me. >> that's it. we've all had it over the years. as soon as i got married, it's all anyone wanted to ask. i think it's a natural thing. and like you say, she's not going to say no, i don't want a family. i think that's just a symptom of, you know, the massive interest from across the world. there are crews from every country imaginable. and, you know, they're taking it in their stride. >> you said the power of this couple, they are an incred reply powerful couple wherever they go. i saw some pictures, and you were there, you tell me, they act like normal newlyweds. they're on the boat, playing around with each other. what do you notice? >> they're incredibly relaxed,
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especially given the circumstances. william has experienced this before. i was in africa with him last year when on a royal tour with his brother, harry. this is their first tour together. he's keaeping a watchful eye ou for her. they've completely charmed canada including french canada which was no easy job. >> whether i watch kate and you've seen her in person, but when i look on television, it seems like she's so relaxed in front of all the cameras, which is hard to believe. i mean, she hasn't been in this for her entire life. do you get the sense she is comfortable now? >> she's always been comfortable. certain people are just born being very naturally adept. and she's very good at just chatting to people. she also makes people feel really at ease. for some people to meet someone like her is overwhelming. you see people fainteding. we see it with hollywood stars. >> you fainted once. >> when i came in to see you.
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but she makes people feel really, really at ease. and that's a real talent. and i think it's going to serve her really well. the couple really well. >> and her outfits. everyone always talks about them. what do we expect when they go to california, l.a., on friday? >> i think for lots of people, that's the icing on the cake. they're all holding their breath for the u.s. part of the tour. you know, we'll have a lot of a-list celebrities out there. the party they'll be holding. she's certainly going to pull something unique out. she's been recycling, reusing dresses. i think that's a time of the financial status. we're all looking to reuse things. i think in terms of a role model, for young girls to see a woman of her status wearing a dress time and time again, changing it a little bit is a really good message to be getting out there that you don't have to change on an hourly basis and get something brand new. >> what is it about her style that seems to separate her, you think, from everybody else?
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there are well-dressed people everywhere. why her? >> i think because it's accessible. in england we have the term of the high street which basically means that shops -- shops you see in shopping malls. and the fact is she doesn't buy at all from, you know, top fashion houses. yes, some of the dresses are. >> of course. >> and lot it being made of that, but lots can be bought for $50 in a shop in your local shopping mall. and i think young girls really like that. she pairs things together. and, you know, she carries it off. you know, how many people can wear a chef's cooking apron that she did up in canada when she was in montreal and look like she's on a fashion walk? >> the accessible princess. >> the accessible couple. >> appreciate it. good to have you here in new york. the senate is back after an abbreviated recess. lawmakers, just four weeks until the debt ceiling deadline have promised a resolution on the libyan mission, but a reality check.
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back now at 53 past the hour. look at that guy. a monkey in indonesia has become an amateur shutterbug after snatching a camera from a wildlife photographer. the photogenic primate snapped some shots of himself. like most in the facebook generation, the monkey loves seeing his own reflection many the lens and shows off his pearly whites. they're a little yellow. my dad was a dentist. i'm picky. . it's time for the flip side, a look behind the headlines. the senate's is in session after cancelling a holiday recess.
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it was a response after what president obama called lying down on the job. a new report shows the 112th congress is one of the least productive in recent memory. from january to may only 16 new bills became law. that's compared to 50 in 2010 when democrats controlled the hill. and 28 in 2007 when the government was divided as it is now. but may 20% of the obama administration nominees haven't even come up for a vote on the senate floor. by this point in previous terms most of those officials were already on the job. action in the gop dominated house has slowed to a crawl thanks to the tea party. members have been away from washington so much -- with all of this paralysis, the 112th congress is on track to surpass their predecessors from 1948 famously dubbed the do nothing
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congress. that's the flip side. that does it for me today. i'll be back tomorrow, same time, same place. richard lui picks up our next hour of coverage. he happens to be right here. i'm right here to tell people what we're going to do the next hour. . coming up, why is america so obsessed with the casey anthony case? some are comparing it to o.j.'s trial. a psychological gist will break it down for us. why some say it could be down to a three way race for the gop presidential nomination. plus, shocking ceo salaries. while many americans are just trying to find jobs mpls and a former astronaut will join me to talk about the end of the shuttle program. shuttle program. that is next on msnbc. the debate is over. ♪ lexus hybrid drive technology is designed to optimize any fuel source on the planet. even those we don't use yet. because when you pursue perfection,
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a very good tuesday to you. we're covering the big news from coast to coast. the top story today the jury in the casey anthony murder trial sits for its first full day of deliberations. any way you slice it, any way
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you put it together, casey anthony is guilty of murder in the first-degree. >> after 32 days of testimony -- >> i don't recall putting in how to make chloroform. >> from family members -- >> i was just angry at everyone in general that they didn't -- that they didn't want to include me. >> we need to get through this. >> and forensic experts. >> outbursts from angry attorneys and a frustrated judge. >> enough is enough. >> and two days of closing arguments -- >> if you hate her, if you think she's a lying, no good slut, then you'll start to look at this evidence in a different light. >> could believe suggested that the detailing of what miss anthony was doing during the 31 days had more to do with the state trying to prove that she was a slut? did i hear that? nothing could be further from the truth. >> now it comes down to

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